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Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:53:00 - [1] Originally by: Dixon How overpowered would that ship be without the crazy cap consumtion? I think this ship is the best thing amarr players could ask for... I'm buying one as soon as they get released Best thing? I guess you either dont play amarr or are just blind. Maxed skills + 8x megapulse t2 + 2x heatsing t2 = cap consumption of 69 PER SECOND. You know that it is more than one injector can give you? You need 2 injectors to actually run this setup if you include single rep. Ah maybe passive tank (like in fleet?): yes - with tachys you use 102 cap per second now :) 2x injector minimum :)
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:02:00 - [2] Its DPS is not that much compared to Geddon - only 14% more (excluding drones cause we dont know anything abt drone bay). BUT: cap usage is 100% more (maxed skills ofc). 14% more damage for doubling cap usage? Wonder if gally users would go for it? And geddons runs pretty well (tank+gank) with single injector... Wouldnt be surprised if geddon could beat this toy without bigger problems.
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:41:00 - [3] Ummm iirc fleet geddons DO fit full rack of them (at least RZR ones do) - so its not that big difference. As for pure laser dps: 1060 from megapulse t2 + 3x heatsink using conflagration. How much blastermega can dish out (excluding drones plz)?
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:46:00 - [4] 15km with multi (+ faloff). Not too hard to pass on MWD (and iirc new gally toy is even faster and deals more damage).
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.25 21:09:00 - [5] Originally by: Kaeten Originally by: Krulla Amarrians get the PERFECT gankship and still whine? Do you people just whine on principle or..? I don't understand them eaither, they get THE PERFECT GANK SHIP and whine Please - fly amarr for a while and you will see why "perfect gank ships" dont work anymore. Atm when you set up for gank (3 damage mods) you still need to tank, cause mixed setups win the battles not "pure ganks".
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.25 21:11:00 - [6] Originally by: chaos98 i think what most people are forgetting is it's armor resistance bonus, while on most ships you need to use a fair amount of low slots just for reistance boni with the abaddons included bonus it will be far easier to tank, requiring less slots for reistances, therefore giving more slots for capacitor recharging mods and such. Resistance bonii (sp?) is similiar to 1x EANM t2. Yes you can get a bit higher resists than others as a result, but it is not that much (same problem as sacri vs zealot tanking ability).
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.25 21:13:00 - [7] Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 25/07/2006 21:13:51 Originally by: Dixon I realize this... but tell me: Do you think it would cause a problem for game balance to have a ship that can tank better than the Apoc and gank better than the Geddon at the same time? But why amarr cant get any other type of bonuses for their ships? Optimal? EWar? Drone? Why all amarr BS have to "tank" or "gank"? Why cant they have something new for example?
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.25 21:22:00 - [8] Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 25/07/2006 21:27:38 Linkage (my response from other topic): Abaddon vs new BBoat is same as Geddon vs blaster mega. And abby vs mega... depends on drone amount on Abby. Question now... Why not to give abby the same bonuses as geddon has (so dump armor stuff, add -10% cap usage)?. It will be exactly same as geddon (+1 turret) but thx to higher grid/cpu (hope so) it will be able to fit at least partial tank.
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.25 21:29:00 - [9] Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 25/07/2006 21:29:24 Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 25/07/2006 21:26:19 So the Amarr suck eh? Linkage Ummm actually it is same as was before: comparing Abaddon to new BBoat is same as Geddon to mega. Also... this is not only the game of "who has more DPS" mind you :)
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.25 21:36:00 - [10] Originally by: Dixon If you don't like amarr ships don't use them, there are plenty of us who love them. Actually except for most amarr ships (except capitals and commands) i can fly: minmatar shuttle caldari shuttle gallente shuttle So im amarr purist here. And i like when my ships work. Geddon is nice, apoc is mediciore. New toy? "can be set as apoc or geddon" (tank/gank)... Someone had really good idea there.
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.25 21:50:00 - [11] I was thinking along the lines of: Heavy tank + 4-5 guns and 3-4 nosf. Then it might work, but... you can do same thing on apoc and geddon :/
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.25 23:17:00 - [12] Originally by: Testicular Testes Originally by: Ather Ialeas Copied from the blog feedback thread: Originally by: Deva Blackfire Ok i did some calculations :) ABADDON: Maxed skills, 8x mega pulse t2 + 2x heat sink t2 It uses 69 cap per second to sustain guns Now heavy electrochemical injector gives 66per second... Zomg - i need 2 injectors O_O 'nuff said tbh Oh no, a decline of 3 cap a second. Whatever shall you do ? That's only indefinite firing with innate regeneration, or without it a measly half hour of non-stop shooting. Who can kill anything in half an hour? Jesus people, get a grip. Actually it is firing as long as you have cap charges. Then when you will have to revert back to normal cap regeneration you will be able to use 2-4 guns non-stop. And of course we arent including any repairers etc on the ship - only guns. If you want to rep you need more cap - cause innate regeneration probably wont hold one large repper. (also it is 54 or so cap recharge actually - i forgot to include reload time).
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.26 00:36:00 - [13] Originally by: Dixon I speak as a semi-specced Amarr pilot and I say this ship will pwn... YES, it will be skill-intensive. YES, it will be hard to maintain a tank but in the end I think this ship will pwn... I just want to ask: in what way that BS wil PWN? And in what way it will be worth to buy one of them instead of 2 geddons (one breaks you have another)?
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.26 01:36:00 - [14] Originally by: Dixon Originally by: Deva Blackfire I just want to ask: in what way that BS wil PWN? And in what way it will be worth to buy one of them instead of 2 geddons (one breaks you have another)? This ship will pwn in the ganking department mainly. Well tanking can probably be achieved with 4 MP II and 4 Hvy nos, but who likes tanking? The reason it will be worth buying over 2 geddons is... well unless you intend on riding those 2 geddons like a pair of skis the abaddon will probably be better in many ways (not all, many). I really DO hope ill meet some of abaddons with my pilgrim. Killing them might be a lot of fun :)
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.26 01:53:00 - [15] Originally by: Dixon Well if Tuxfords wasn't lying about the NOS-fix I'd like to see that fight... Surprise: i use neutralizers too ;p They are a bit better in killing cap :) But thats OT so ill end it now :)
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.26 15:10:00 - [16] Originally by: Wodin Drukvik It's actually only 84.9 cap/s on the full rack of Tachyons - you need to account for Controlled Bursts V Quote: 102 or so cap/s included controlled burst lvl5 and all rate of fire skills maxed :)

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